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People ask me all the time, how do you survive
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with thirteen kids? They expect chaos, noise, burnout. They expect
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me to look exhausted, overwhelmed, barely holding it together. What
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they don't expect is my answer. Thirteen kids didn't dream
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my humanity. They taught me humanity. How to love people
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when they're loud, messy, emotional, wrong, right, scared, brave and unfinished.
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How to see past behavior to the heart underneath. How
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to forgive seventy times seven. How to laugh when I
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want to cry, how to stay when I want to run.
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This is what thirteen kids taught me about who we
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really are, about what it means to be human, about
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what matters most. Welcome back to We Are the Hansens,
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the podcast where we talk about family, faith, laughter, chaos,
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and the beautiful mess of real life. I'm Maya Hanson.
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If you're new here, Yes, you heard that right. Thirteen kids,
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five grandchildren, one more grandchild on the way, and a
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whole lot of stories that range from hilarious to heartbreaking
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and everything in between. Today's episode is personal, not polished,
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not perfect, just honest. It's about the lessons you don't
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learn from books or podcasts or parenting experts. The lessons
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you learn from people who live in your house, eat
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your food, borrow your clothes without asking, break your heart,
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and then feel it again in ways you never expected.
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So grab your coffee, take a breath, and settle in.
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Maybe turn off your phone for the next fifty minutes.
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Give yourself permission to just listen and reflect. This is
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what thirteen kids taught me about humanity. I remember one morning,
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six twelve am. Someone was crying over a lost toy.
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Someone was laughing hysterically at something only they understood. Two
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kids were in a heated argument about whether fruit loops
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or Cheerios was the superior breakfast cereal, and one child
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was absolutely convinced that the world was ending because we
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were out of clean socks and nothing else would possibly work.
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That was before coffee. That was before I even fully
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woke up. That was just Tuesday. Let's start with the obvious.
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Humanity is loud. It cries at two am over things
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that seem small but feel enormous. It laughs during serious
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moments because laughter is how some of us process fear.
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It slams doors when words aren't enough. It asked questions
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at the worst possible time, because curiosity doesn't wait for convenience.
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When you have thirteen kids, silence becomes suspicious. Silence usually
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means someone is plotting something, hiding something, or about to
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break something expensive. I've learned this the hard way when
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I walked into a quiet living room one afternoon and
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found that three of my kids had decided to give
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the dog a makeover. With permanent markers. They turned our
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English massive into what they called a rainbow puppy. The
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dog survived, My nerves did not. But in high sight,
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that moment was actually beautiful in a chaotic way. They
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were creating something together. They were collaborating, they were expressing
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themselves and their wild, uninhabited joy. It was just unfortunate
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that their canvas was a living creature who couldn't consent
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to becoming a work of abstract art. And that's the
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thing about noise. It's rarely just noise. It's communication, its emotion,
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its existence happening out loud. It's humanity refusing to be muted.
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I used to get so frustrated by constant soundtrack in
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my house, the arguing over whose turn it was to
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choose the movie, the laughing that turned into screaming that
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turned back into laughing. The crying over homework or hurt feelings,
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or just general overwhelm. The yelling from diff diferent rooms
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because walking ten feet to have a conversation was apparently
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too much effort. The singing, sometimes on key, usually not.
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The stomping up and down the stairs, sometimes all happening
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in different rooms, creating a symphony of chaos. But then
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I spent a week at a motel, and you know
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what I felt in that quiet, pristine, perfectly organized hotel room. Lonely,
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unbearably lonely. I missed the noise. I missed the chaos.
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I miss the sound of life happening around me. I
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missed knowing that my people were there, alive, engaged, existing
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loudly in the world. Because here's what I've learned. Loud
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doesn't mean broken. Our culture tells us that noise is stress,
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that stillness equals peace, and a good life is a
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quiet life. We're sold the idea that chaos means failure,
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that if your house is loud, you're doing something wrong,
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that well behaved children should be seen and not heard.
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The kids taught me that noise is life. Joy is
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loud just think about it. Weddings, celebrations, victories, reunions, they're
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all loud. Pain is loud too, Grief doesn't whisper. Growth
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is loud because change is uncomfortable and disorienting. Discovery is
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loud because excitement can't contain itself. Think about it. When
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was the last time you experienced something truly meaningful in silence.
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Weddings are loud, celebrations are loud. Even grief real, honest,
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from the gut, grief is loud. Human beings weren't meant
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to be muted. We weren't designed to experience life on
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low volume. We were made to laugh until we cry,
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to cry and till we're empty, to shout for joy,
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to scream and frustration, to sing badly in the shower,
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to express ourselves fully. I think about times I've tried
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to quiet my kids when they were excited about something,
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when they were processing difficult emotions, when they were just
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being their authentic, unfiltered selves, And I realize now I
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wasn't teaching them peace. I was teaching them to shrink,
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to be smaller, to take up less space in the world,
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to make themselves more convenient for me. We try to
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quiet people. Instead of understanding them, we lose connection. We
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lose the opportunity to truly know them, to see what
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they're really feeling underneath all that noise, to understand what
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they're really saying when words fail them. One of my
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daughters used to get loud when she was scared, not
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angry loud, scared loud. It took me years to realize
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that when she raised her voice, she wasn't being defiant
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or disrespectful. She was drowning. She was panicking. She was
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trying to make herself bigger than the fear that was
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consuming her. The day I stopped trying to quiet her
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and started listening to what the loudness meant, everything shifted
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between us. She didn't need me to shush her, She
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needed me to hear her. She needed me to understand
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that volume was her SOS signal. Humanity is noisy because
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it's a lie, And maybe instead of demanding quiet, we
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should learn to listen better, to hear what's underneath the noise,
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to understand that sometimes the loudest person in the room
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is the one who needs the most love. With thirteen kids,
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you quickly learn something important. Attention is an optional if
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you don't give it intentionally, it will be taking creative,
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and not always in ways you'll appreciate it. I learned
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early on that if I didn't intentionally notice my kids
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who they were becoming, what they were struggling with, what
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made them light up, they would find a way to
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be noticed. Sometimes it was good grades, straight a's academic excellence.
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Look at me, I'm valuable because I'm smart. It was humor,
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glass clown energy, constant jokes. Look at me, I'm valuable
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because I'm entertaining. Sometimes it was rebellion, rules, broken boundaries tested,
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look at me, even if you don't like what you see.
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One of my sons became the family comedian. Every dinner
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turned into a performance, Every conversation had a punchline, Every
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serious moment got deflected with a joke. At first, I
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thought he was just naturally funny, that humor was his personality,
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his gift. Then I realized he was starving not for food,
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for acknowledgment. He had learned that being funny got my
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attention when nothing else did. So he performed night after night,
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joke after joke, and I laughed and I applauded, But
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I wasn't seeing him. I was watching his act, and
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the saddest part, he was so good at it, so
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naturally gifted at making people laugh, that I almost missed it,
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almost missed the fact that underneath all those jokes was
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a kid who just wanted me to ask how he
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was really doing, a kid who had learned that vulnerability
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didn't get attention, but humored it. One night, after everyone
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went to bed, I found him still awake in his room,
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and instead of telling him to go to sleep, something
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made me stop, made me sit down on the edge
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of his bed. I didn't say anything at first, I
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just sat, and after a few minutes of silence, he
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started talking, really talking, not performing, not making jokes, just
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being honest about how hard school was, how lonely he
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felt sometimes even though he had friends, how he wasn't
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sure who he was when he wasn't making people laugh,
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how exhausting it was to always be on I sat
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there listening, heartbroken that I almost missed this, that I'd
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been so distracted by the show, so entertained by the performance,
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that I hadn't seen the person behind the punchlines. From
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that night on, I made a commitment every week I
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would create space for each kid to be seen not
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for what they did, but for who they were. And
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that's when it hit me. If children act out when
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they feel invisible, how many adults are doing the same
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thing every single day. Kids act out when they feel invisible,
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Adults do the same. We just call it something else,
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We give it more sophisticated names, more socially acceptable labels. Workoholism,
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I'm valuable because I'm productive, addiction, I exist because I
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feel something, even if it's destructive anger. Notice me now,
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even if you hate what you see isolation, I'll disappear
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before you can ignore me. Perfectionism and flawless, because flawed
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means invisible drama. Chaos is better than being forgot. We
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create noise in our own ways. We perform, we overachieve,
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we self destruct, We do anything anything to be noticed,
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to matter, to exist in someone's awareness, every single child,
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no matter their personality, their age, their temperament. What's the
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same thing? Do you see me? Not? Do you agree
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with me? Not? Am I impressive? Not? Am I perfect
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enough to deserve your attention? Just do I matter to you?
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Do I exist in your world? Am I real to you?
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I started to experiment a few years ago. Every single
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day I would find one moment with each child where
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I gave them my full attention. No phone, no multitasking,
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no half listening while I mentally planned dinner or worried
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about bills or thought about my list, just presence, just
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seeing them fully. Sometimes it was only five minutes, sometimes less,
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but it was five minutes of complete presence, eye contact,
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active listening on divided attention. And you know what happened.
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The behavior issues dropped dramatically, the arguments decreased, the connection deepen,
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and the walls came down. It wasn't about more time.
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It was about better attention. It was about quality of presence,
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not quantity of ours. One of my teenagers told me recently, Mom,
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I don't need hours with you every day. I just
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need you to actually be there when you're there. I
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need you to know that for those few minutes, I'm
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the most important thing in your world. That hit me
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so hard I had to sit down, because how often
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do we give people the leftovers of our attention? How
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often are we physically present but emotionally absent. How often
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do we look at people without actually seeing them. Humanity
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isn't starving for answers it's starving for acknowledgment. For someone
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to put down their phone, close their laptop, turn off
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the TV, look us in the eye and say I
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see you, I hear you. You matter to me. You're
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not invisible. And when people feel seen, they soften, The
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walls come down, the defensiveness fades, the masks drop, the
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real person emerges. Because visibility is healing. Being truly seen
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is one of the most powerful experiences a human being
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can have. Here's the truth that makes people deeply uncomfortable.
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Love is not equal, and that doesn't mean it's unjust.
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It doesn't mean it's wrong. It means it's real. Each
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child needed something different from me. One needed firmness and
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structure to feel safe. One needed patience and endless second
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chances to believe they were worthy. One needed space to
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become themselves. One needed constant reassurance that they were enough.
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One needed me to laugh with them to match their
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energy to celebrate their joy. Another needed me to sit
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in silence beside them to respect their need to process alone.
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One of my kids needed me to push them toward
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their potential because they were capable of so much more
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than they believed. And another needed me to stop pushing
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entirely and just accept them exactly where they were because
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the pressure was crushing them. One thrived on physical affection, hugs,
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high fives, sitting close during movies. Another felt suffocated by
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too much touching and needed space to process emotions alone,
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needed permission to not be a hugger. I have one
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child who processes everything verbally. They need to talk things out,
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think out loud, work through problems by discussing every possible
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angle with another human being. And I have another child
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who shuts down completely if I push them to talk
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before they're ready. They need silence, time and space to
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figure things out, and internally first, they need me to
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stop asking questions and just trust that they'll come to
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me when they're ready. Same parents, same house, same love,
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completely different approaches. I remember the guilt I felt when
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I realized I was parenting each child differently. It felt
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like favoritism. It felt unfair, It felt like I was
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loving some more than others. One day, one of my
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kids said, how come you let her do that but
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you don't let me? And I froze because I didn't
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have a good answer that sounded fair. I didn't have
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a one size fits all rout I could point to.
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But then and my husband said something that changed everything.
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He looked at our child and said, because she's not
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you and you're not her, and fear doesn't mean everyone
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gets the same thing. It means everyone gets what they need.
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Then I had a conversation with one of my older daughters.
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I was apologizing for something, explaining that I was trying
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so hard to be fair to everyone but kept failing.
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And she stopped me and said, Mom, you don't love
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us the same You love us specifically. She said, you